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		<title>By: WILL•I•AM CAMPBELL</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-48153</link>
		<dc:creator>WILL•I•AM CAMPBELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the excellent comment imjeffro. You make some great points and I appreciate you considering my combative nature as &quot;uncharacteristic&quot; because it makes me think maybe I&#039;m not as big kneejerk as I&#039;m usually perceived to be.

You&#039;re obviously free to defend libertad&#039;s comment as valid and pertinent. Perhaps if he or she had been a bit more diplomatic and pointed the comment at a broader base rather than at me personally I wouldn&#039;t have taken it as an assumptive slight founded on a ridiculous premise that screamed for a rebuttal you found so over the top. But then I&#039;m weird like that when I get picked on.

And speaking of weird, you may qualify my reaction to Evan&#039;s statement as such but it seems as if you&#039;re extrapolating it out to be some sort of judgment of him. I may not have made it clear that I thought he was a fine fellow and I did appreciate his willingness to talk as well as his enthusiasm for the space. If my not leaping for joy at his designs for it is odd to you, then odd I be.

Your second to last paragraph is spot-on and I appreciate your endorsement of my bike shop dream. Alas, unless I win the lottery tomorrow the place is Evan&#039;s to do with as he so chooses and one I hope appeals to the community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the excellent comment imjeffro. You make some great points and I appreciate you considering my combative nature as &quot;uncharacteristic&quot; because it makes me think maybe I&#8217;m not as big kneejerk as I&#8217;m usually perceived to be.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re obviously free to defend libertad&#8217;s comment as valid and pertinent. Perhaps if he or she had been a bit more diplomatic and pointed the comment at a broader base rather than at me personally I wouldn&#8217;t have taken it as an assumptive slight founded on a ridiculous premise that screamed for a rebuttal you found so over the top. But then I&#8217;m weird like that when I get picked on.</p>
<p>And speaking of weird, you may qualify my reaction to Evan&#8217;s statement as such but it seems as if you&#8217;re extrapolating it out to be some sort of judgment of him. I may not have made it clear that I thought he was a fine fellow and I did appreciate his willingness to talk as well as his enthusiasm for the space. If my not leaping for joy at his designs for it is odd to you, then odd I be.</p>
<p>Your second to last paragraph is spot-on and I appreciate your endorsement of my bike shop dream. Alas, unless I win the lottery tomorrow the place is Evan&#8217;s to do with as he so chooses and one I hope appeals to the community.</p>
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		<title>By: imjeffro</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-48147</link>
		<dc:creator>imjeffro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gosh, will, you seem uncharacteristically combative.  Libertad&#039;s question (rhetorical though it may have been) was a valid followup to the previous two comments which really hit the nail on the head regarding what&#039;s going on in the neighborhood.  It amazes me how rarely those voices are recognized.  
Things change.  That&#039;s the nature of it.  And this happens at an elevated pace in neighborhoods in which there is above average disparity between the perceived demographic and the true majority demographic.  

However, a lot of these changes aren&#039;t vicious spirals downward in the available culture the perceived demographic wants to feel surrounded by.  I think your &#039;lament&#039; might be a bit premature, maybe melodramatic.  If a Pinkberry does move in then we can all wave the flags of despair, but why assume that every time a storefront puts up a vacant sign it&#039;s going to be filled by a mega-chain?  Especially if the vacancy sign is going up on a &#039;storefront&#039;, a business that you enjoyed the look of as you road past but not a business that provided you a frequent and necessary service.

Yes, Eat Well is gone, but Flore opened a few doors down.  

I felt your reaction to Evan was weird.  &quot;Well, at least it&#039;s not a Starbucks&quot;?  I&#039;d think you&#039;d be thrilled that an independent proprietor is looking to use that space to open a gathering place that caters to the perceived demographic of the neighborhood.  I mean, you met the guy because he happened to be patronizing the restaurant next door, not to mention the sort of guy who goes out of his way to strike up a conversation with a stranger who appears to share an interest in the neighborhood&#039;s evolution.  I&#039;d think this would score pretty high on your graph of ideal new local business-owners.

Sometimes I get the feeling that when a local store closes the only business some locals will consider an acceptable replacement for it is a nostalgia shop that specializes in the kitsch of the previous tenant&#039;s business.  Change is not necessarily loss.  But that is especially true from the perspective of the real majority demographic of the neighborhood who haven&#039;t had a connection to but a tiny fraction of the storefronts in this neighborhood in decades.  You think they care whether that storefront is filled by an antique shop, a wine bar, or a CA-style diner?  Nah, they&#039;ll never step foot inside regardless.  Some might be happy to see another Lucy&#039;s Laundromat open up a few blocks closer to their home, otherwise it&#039;s just another storefront that sells trinkets or expensive foreign meals.

I&#039;m sorry that there&#039;s no rumors floating around of a bike shop moving into any of these newly vacant spaces.  No one is more passionate about biking than you, maybe this is your calling.  I certainly wouldn&#039;t mind seeing a boutique bicycle salon near Sunset Junction.  I&#039;d consider it a welcome new Silver Lake color and interesting storefront for me to walk by every day.  If such a business could succeed anywhere in LA I&#039;d think it would be in Silver Lake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gosh, will, you seem uncharacteristically combative.  Libertad&#8217;s question (rhetorical though it may have been) was a valid followup to the previous two comments which really hit the nail on the head regarding what&#8217;s going on in the neighborhood.  It amazes me how rarely those voices are recognized.<br />
Things change.  That&#8217;s the nature of it.  And this happens at an elevated pace in neighborhoods in which there is above average disparity between the perceived demographic and the true majority demographic.  </p>
<p>However, a lot of these changes aren&#8217;t vicious spirals downward in the available culture the perceived demographic wants to feel surrounded by.  I think your &#8216;lament&#8217; might be a bit premature, maybe melodramatic.  If a Pinkberry does move in then we can all wave the flags of despair, but why assume that every time a storefront puts up a vacant sign it&#8217;s going to be filled by a mega-chain?  Especially if the vacancy sign is going up on a &#8217;storefront&#8217;, a business that you enjoyed the look of as you road past but not a business that provided you a frequent and necessary service.</p>
<p>Yes, Eat Well is gone, but Flore opened a few doors down.  </p>
<p>I felt your reaction to Evan was weird.  &quot;Well, at least it&#8217;s not a Starbucks&quot;?  I&#8217;d think you&#8217;d be thrilled that an independent proprietor is looking to use that space to open a gathering place that caters to the perceived demographic of the neighborhood.  I mean, you met the guy because he happened to be patronizing the restaurant next door, not to mention the sort of guy who goes out of his way to strike up a conversation with a stranger who appears to share an interest in the neighborhood&#8217;s evolution.  I&#8217;d think this would score pretty high on your graph of ideal new local business-owners.</p>
<p>Sometimes I get the feeling that when a local store closes the only business some locals will consider an acceptable replacement for it is a nostalgia shop that specializes in the kitsch of the previous tenant&#8217;s business.  Change is not necessarily loss.  But that is especially true from the perspective of the real majority demographic of the neighborhood who haven&#8217;t had a connection to but a tiny fraction of the storefronts in this neighborhood in decades.  You think they care whether that storefront is filled by an antique shop, a wine bar, or a CA-style diner?  Nah, they&#8217;ll never step foot inside regardless.  Some might be happy to see another Lucy&#8217;s Laundromat open up a few blocks closer to their home, otherwise it&#8217;s just another storefront that sells trinkets or expensive foreign meals.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry that there&#8217;s no rumors floating around of a bike shop moving into any of these newly vacant spaces.  No one is more passionate about biking than you, maybe this is your calling.  I certainly wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing a boutique bicycle salon near Sunset Junction.  I&#8217;d consider it a welcome new Silver Lake color and interesting storefront for me to walk by every day.  If such a business could succeed anywhere in LA I&#8217;d think it would be in Silver Lake.</p>
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		<title>By: typefiend</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-47345</link>
		<dc:creator>typefiend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an update to the one above:

&lt;em&gt;The old Bungalow space is being split up inside-- part of it will be private (for a recording studio) but the bulk of it will be gift shop called Mercado run by two chicks. My friend knows the man who owns the space and record company so this info is a lot more accurate that what&#039;s floating around out there.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an update to the one above:</p>
<p><em>The old Bungalow space is being split up inside&#8211; part of it will be private (for a recording studio) but the bulk of it will be gift shop called Mercado run by two chicks. My friend knows the man who owns the space and record company so this info is a lot more accurate that what&#8217;s floating around out there.</em></p>
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		<title>By: dorit</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-47310</link>
		<dc:creator>dorit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not going to miss most of the current business that are going under (In fact we are happy one of them- who was a bastard to many of us neighbors- is going) but I don&#039;t like the idea of vacate store fronts and the trash, sofa dumping,  crime and general bad influences that are attracted to empty buildings. The Eat Well building is the worst. According to what I have been told, the owners are still paying rent and looking for someone to buy them out, at a high price (don’t know how much he could get for the place being that is has no parking and can’t sell booze) On the brighter side (as far as vacant buildings go) The old Bungalow store is being turned into a recording studio (got that from the contractor who was working on it this AM ) and the Sunset Orange owner told everyone his landlord kicked him out so he could move a higher rent payer in so these two spots should be filled fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not going to miss most of the current business that are going under (In fact we are happy one of them- who was a bastard to many of us neighbors- is going) but I don&#8217;t like the idea of vacate store fronts and the trash, sofa dumping,  crime and general bad influences that are attracted to empty buildings. The Eat Well building is the worst. According to what I have been told, the owners are still paying rent and looking for someone to buy them out, at a high price (don’t know how much he could get for the place being that is has no parking and can’t sell booze) On the brighter side (as far as vacant buildings go) The old Bungalow store is being turned into a recording studio (got that from the contractor who was working on it this AM ) and the Sunset Orange owner told everyone his landlord kicked him out so he could move a higher rent payer in so these two spots should be filled fast.</p>
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		<title>By: WILL•I•AM CAMPBELL</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-47308</link>
		<dc:creator>WILL•I•AM CAMPBELL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you got me libertad: I&#039;m just a poser. I&#039;ve never purchased anything specifically at Den,  And while I&#039;m fully disclosing, I&#039;ve never bought anything at Sunset Orange either. Never ordered a meal at at Pramadan or whipped out my Visa at Serifos or Pull My Daisy or Barkeeper or MC Computer. It&#039;s been three years since my last breakfast at Eat Well.


The level of my support of &quot;the local color&quot; is what it is and I resent your presumptive implication that it&#039;s somehow lacking. If you feel there&#039;s some threshold level that needs achieving in order to be allowed to bemoan the current glut of empty storefronts and the changing retail landscape of Silver Lake, well that&#039;s just an odd argument. Did Den go out of business because I only wandered through it a few times and didn&#039;t buy anything? No. Is Bungalow still around even though my wife and I furnished our living room and office with their stuff? No.

Apparently I don&#039;t have the required proofs of purchase to suit you so I&#039;m to just STFU and welcome the next Pinkberry through gritted teeth? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you got me libertad: I&#8217;m just a poser. I&#8217;ve never purchased anything specifically at Den,  And while I&#8217;m fully disclosing, I&#8217;ve never bought anything at Sunset Orange either. Never ordered a meal at at Pramadan or whipped out my Visa at Serifos or Pull My Daisy or Barkeeper or MC Computer. It&#8217;s been three years since my last breakfast at Eat Well.</p>
<p>The level of my support of &quot;the local color&quot; is what it is and I resent your presumptive implication that it&#8217;s somehow lacking. If you feel there&#8217;s some threshold level that needs achieving in order to be allowed to bemoan the current glut of empty storefronts and the changing retail landscape of Silver Lake, well that&#8217;s just an odd argument. Did Den go out of business because I only wandered through it a few times and didn&#8217;t buy anything? No. Is Bungalow still around even though my wife and I furnished our living room and office with their stuff? No.</p>
<p>Apparently I don&#8217;t have the required proofs of purchase to suit you so I&#8217;m to just STFU and welcome the next Pinkberry through gritted teeth? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Percival Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-47305</link>
		<dc:creator>Percival Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fredcamino wrote:

&lt;i&gt;I prayed for a little boutique or salon, but alas it was to become a wine bar! UGH.

LOL

The word &quot;bracing&quot; does not mean what you seem to think it means, Fred.  Dictionary.com can be a valuable resource when it comes to things like this.  Next time, use it *before* you post.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fredcamino wrote:</p>
<p><i>I prayed for a little boutique or salon, but alas it was to become a wine bar! UGH.</p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>The word &quot;bracing&quot; does not mean what you seem to think it means, Fred.  Dictionary.com can be a valuable resource when it comes to things like this.  Next time, use it *before* you post.</i></p>
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		<title>By: libertad</title>
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		<dc:creator>libertad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will -

i&#039;m wondering did you ever actually BUY anything at Den of Antiquity?  because it reads like you&#039;re one of those locals who want the local color but don&#039;t actually support the local color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will -</p>
<p>i&#8217;m wondering did you ever actually BUY anything at Den of Antiquity?  because it reads like you&#8217;re one of those locals who want the local color but don&#8217;t actually support the local color.</p>
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		<title>By: hindinwood</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2008/04/15/silver-lake-another-one-bites-the-dust/#comment-47280</link>
		<dc:creator>hindinwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^^^^^
Yes, finally someone gets it right! People are always carping about gentrification and &quot;hipsters&quot; (whatever the hell that means), but the real problem is that the people who actually live around the Junction aren&#039;t the target demographic of the shops! My neighbors are primarily Mexican and Salvadorian families living 3-5 people in studio apartments. Even the single people obviously aren&#039;t loaded or they&#039;d probably live in a bigger place. I have never purchased a single thing at any of the clothing or furniture shops, nor have I dined at Cafe Stella, except once w/a date. El Pollo Loco (and on occasion the coffee shops) are really the only local businesses that I patronize because they&#039;re the only ones that fit my lifestyle. Oh, and of course the dollar store. And that one hippy place by Rough Trade is good for gifts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^^^<br />
Yes, finally someone gets it right! People are always carping about gentrification and &quot;hipsters&quot; (whatever the hell that means), but the real problem is that the people who actually live around the Junction aren&#8217;t the target demographic of the shops! My neighbors are primarily Mexican and Salvadorian families living 3-5 people in studio apartments. Even the single people obviously aren&#8217;t loaded or they&#8217;d probably live in a bigger place. I have never purchased a single thing at any of the clothing or furniture shops, nor have I dined at Cafe Stella, except once w/a date. El Pollo Loco (and on occasion the coffee shops) are really the only local businesses that I patronize because they&#8217;re the only ones that fit my lifestyle. Oh, and of course the dollar store. And that one hippy place by Rough Trade is good for gifts.</p>
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		<title>By: dorit</title>
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		<dc:creator>dorit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in Silver Lake (Sunset and Hyperion neighborhood ) for some 11 years- in that time, only 5 business are still here that were here when we moved in (El Pollo Loco, La Bar/ Black Cat, the launder mat, Tacos Delta and the Army surplus store and maybe the cleaners by tacos delta, not sure)
Businesses come and go. Owners move the business closer to their homes (as in the case of Book Bound- which did not go out of business until the original owner sold it) or building owners decided to cash in on raising rents (M.C. Computers were kicked out for that very reason) or the building owners have grand plans of building something “better” (the Mexican Market that was were the Intelginta is now). But the biggest reason for a business going under is the poor planning of the business owners and their Vanity Business.
A prospective business owner thinks Silver Lake is the “up and coming” neighborhood. “Oh,  its so Bohemian, its so gay, its so artiest, its so rich, its so what every”  Prospective business owner does not look around the neighborhood to see that there is no parking, that the people who live here (I am talking the area around Sunset Junction, I know it is much different around the lake) are working class families, many who live 2 to 3 families per small apartment, or young single people in small apartment with out the money or space for nice but over priced trinkets. 
This has very little to do with gentrification (so overused a word it means nothing) but bad planning. These neighborhoods are no more white and upper class then they were 10 years ago. 
As far as a Gap or Jumbo Juice or other chair store- unlike the vanity stores/cafes, the Big Box businesses do neighborhood analyses and market studies. And that is the reason they have not moved here yet, there is no market for the here. 
BTW- if anyone is asking, the neighbors (black, white, Latino, English, Spanish and indigoes languages of Central American speaking, poor and lower middle class) and I would love a bangle shop to open here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in Silver Lake (Sunset and Hyperion neighborhood ) for some 11 years- in that time, only 5 business are still here that were here when we moved in (El Pollo Loco, La Bar/ Black Cat, the launder mat, Tacos Delta and the Army surplus store and maybe the cleaners by tacos delta, not sure)<br />
Businesses come and go. Owners move the business closer to their homes (as in the case of Book Bound- which did not go out of business until the original owner sold it) or building owners decided to cash in on raising rents (M.C. Computers were kicked out for that very reason) or the building owners have grand plans of building something “better” (the Mexican Market that was were the Intelginta is now). But the biggest reason for a business going under is the poor planning of the business owners and their Vanity Business.<br />
A prospective business owner thinks Silver Lake is the “up and coming” neighborhood. “Oh,  its so Bohemian, its so gay, its so artiest, its so rich, its so what every”  Prospective business owner does not look around the neighborhood to see that there is no parking, that the people who live here (I am talking the area around Sunset Junction, I know it is much different around the lake) are working class families, many who live 2 to 3 families per small apartment, or young single people in small apartment with out the money or space for nice but over priced trinkets.<br />
This has very little to do with gentrification (so overused a word it means nothing) but bad planning. These neighborhoods are no more white and upper class then they were 10 years ago.<br />
As far as a Gap or Jumbo Juice or other chair store- unlike the vanity stores/cafes, the Big Box businesses do neighborhood analyses and market studies. And that is the reason they have not moved here yet, there is no market for the here.<br />
BTW- if anyone is asking, the neighbors (black, white, Latino, English, Spanish and indigoes languages of Central American speaking, poor and lower middle class) and I would love a bangle shop to open here.</p>
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		<title>By: The 8 Track Kid</title>
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		<dc:creator>The 8 Track Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 20:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Eat Well on Beverly has also closed after a brief run.  Does anyone know what&#039;s become of the Santa Monica Blvd. location?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Eat Well on Beverly has also closed after a brief run.  Does anyone know what&#8217;s become of the Santa Monica Blvd. location?</p>
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