Comments on: Death of the hat tip? http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:51:12 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: David Markland http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46131 David Markland Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:42:57 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46131 Rumors, indeed, thats annoying, and I've been victim to it. Digg users, especially, take advantage of this, but I think for the most part its unavoidable. Bullock: (I responded to Dave privately with this as well, btw) This isn't a case of paranoia, there are definitely cases where other blogs know they've lifted stuff without an h/t. Individual instances appear petty, so for now not worth pointing them out. Again, this is etiquette, not plagiarism, because, as you note, most bloggers are citing other's content. Rumors, indeed, thats annoying, and I’ve been victim to it. Digg users, especially, take advantage of this, but I think for the most part its unavoidable.

Bullock: (I responded to Dave privately with this as well, btw) This isn’t a case of paranoia, there are definitely cases where other blogs know they’ve lifted stuff without an h/t. Individual instances appear petty, so for now not worth pointing them out.
Again, this is etiquette, not plagiarism, because, as you note, most bloggers are citing other’s content.

]]> By: Dave Bullock / eecue http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46104 Dave Bullock / eecue Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:15:24 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46104 Being that very few blogs actually report original content and just mostly rehash news from actual journalists, perhaps this blog that failed to attribute b.la got their info from the source. Being that you didn't name the blog who made you said, we'll never know. Being that very few blogs actually report original content and just mostly rehash news from actual journalists, perhaps this blog that failed to attribute b.la got their info from the source. Being that you didn’t name the blog who made you said, we’ll never know.

]]> By: RumorsDaily http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46086 RumorsDaily Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:06:17 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46086 Wow, that didn't go well at all. Wow, that didn’t go well at all.

]]> By: RumorsDaily http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46085 RumorsDaily Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:05:44 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46085 You know what I find irksome? When a site posts something that gets picked up by a new site with a proper site-ation (eh? eh? new word?), and then a third site picks up the story based on the second, but links back ONLY to the second and not to the original. For example: <a href="http://www.kottke.org/remainder/08/03/15343.html" rel="nofollow">Kottke</a> <-- <A HREF="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/30/creepily-lifelike-cg.html">Boing Boing (citing Kottke) <-- <A HREF="http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2008/03/some_day_soon.html">YesButNoButYes (citing <i>only</i> BoingBoing). You know what I find irksome? When a site posts something that gets picked up by a new site with a proper site-ation (eh? eh? new word?), and then a third site picks up the story based on the second, but links back ONLY to the second and not to the original.

For example: Kottke <– <A HREF="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/30/creepily-lifelike-cg.html">Boing Boing (citing Kottke) <– <A HREF="http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2008/03/some_day_soon.html">YesButNoButYes (citing only BoingBoing).

]]> By: mediaconcepts http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46077 mediaconcepts Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:00:28 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46077 I wonder if this is related to the infamous manners of L.A. drivers. They fail to hat tip in every sense of the driving word. Their aggressive maneuvers are legendary. The possible explanations for this -- from false self-importance to being too busy to simple neglect -- seem to mirror the possible explanations for the death of the hat tip. I wonder if this is related to the infamous manners of L.A. drivers. They fail to hat tip in every sense of the driving word. Their aggressive maneuvers are legendary. The possible explanations for this — from false self-importance to being too busy to simple neglect — seem to mirror the possible explanations for the death of the hat tip.

]]> By: faboomama http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46073 faboomama Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:40:06 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46073 I'm a serioual hat tipper. Hell, most of my posts are linkalicious because of a sentence I read. I think not only is it just polite, but it backs up sources. I see too many "big" bloggers just post stuff now and get pissy when people call them out on their sources or accuse them of lifting someone else's post because they've decided they're too big to link to anyone. I’m a serioual hat tipper. Hell, most of my posts are linkalicious because of a sentence I read. I think not only is it just polite, but it backs up sources. I see too many "big" bloggers just post stuff now and get pissy when people call them out on their sources or accuse them of lifting someone else’s post because they’ve decided they’re too big to link to anyone.

]]> By: marshall http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46070 marshall Mon, 31 Mar 2008 06:00:40 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46070 You won't catch me pretending I have a fedora, but you've got to mention and link to your sources. You won’t catch me pretending I have a fedora, but you’ve got to mention and link to your sources.

]]> By: josh http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46066 josh Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:14:04 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46066 "via" uses the same number of characters as "h/t" ("thanks" is a one character savings over "hat tip") : ) "via" uses the same number of characters as "h/t" ("thanks" is a one character savings over "hat tip")

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]]> By: David Markland http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46062 David Markland Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:15:56 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46062 Josh, I like Gawkers post, but writing h/t is just a brief way of writing "thanks for pointing this out." I think its different than a cliche. Browne, I don't think anyone would claim that I've not been open about my grievences with other blogs. I'm just not detailing instances here because, again, some of these folks are my friends, and I don't think its a belligerent act. Hopefully this post alone will be reminder enough. Other than that, though, I agree - bloggers should call each out on bullshit of any kind. I doesn't have to be unfriendly either - as long as people are fair and not full of hate, I love to read critiques of Metblogs. Josh, I like Gawkers post, but writing h/t is just a brief way of writing "thanks for pointing this out." I think its different than a cliche.

Browne, I don’t think anyone would claim that I’ve not been open about my grievences with other blogs. I’m just not detailing instances here because, again, some of these folks are my friends, and I don’t think its a belligerent act. Hopefully this post alone will be reminder enough. Other than that, though, I agree – bloggers should call each out on bullshit of any kind. I doesn’t have to be unfriendly either – as long as people are fair and not full of hate, I love to read critiques of Metblogs.

]]> By: rodger http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46053 rodger Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:59:50 +0000 http://la.metblogs.com/2008/03/30/death-of-the-hat-tip/#comment-46053 Only if it's real obvious, Browne, yes. Every morning I search Google news for the latest news in the world of books and literature for my semi-weekly Literary Blogging column. This means that on some occasions I'm writing about or linking to some of the same stories that can be found at The Elegant Variation or on Maud Newton's Blog. This doesn't mean I cribbed anything from TEV or MN. We just happen to be walking down the same cyber alleyway. Only if it’s real obvious, Browne, yes. Every morning I search Google news for the latest news in the world of books and literature for my semi-weekly Literary Blogging column. This means that on some occasions I’m writing about or linking to some of the same stories that can be found at The Elegant Variation or on Maud Newton’s Blog. This doesn’t mean I cribbed anything from TEV or MN. We just happen to be walking down the same cyber alleyway.

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