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		<title>By: ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phew.   i&#039;m glad i skipped this one.   

good for will and stephen for fightin&#039; the good fight.

i myself, am stepping out the ring for now.  

The BAC meetings i attended filled me with such an uncomfortable level of frustration. It was palpable and almost toxic.

They got me thinking-

Why do i ride a bicycle?

something about, because it is fun and really good for my health and spirit????

Also, riding a bicycle really is the best way to commute around a town.  Perhaps City Officials in LA will make some accommodations for us cyclists, one day down the road.

Here&#039;s to unicorn wishes and fairy tale dreams!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phew.   i&#8217;m glad i skipped this one.   </p>
<p>good for will and stephen for fightin&#8217; the good fight.</p>
<p>i myself, am stepping out the ring for now.  </p>
<p>The BAC meetings i attended filled me with such an uncomfortable level of frustration. It was palpable and almost toxic.</p>
<p>They got me thinking-</p>
<p>Why do i ride a bicycle?</p>
<p>something about, because it is fun and really good for my health and spirit????</p>
<p>Also, riding a bicycle really is the best way to commute around a town.  Perhaps City Officials in LA will make some accommodations for us cyclists, one day down the road.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s to unicorn wishes and fairy tale dreams!</p>
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		<title>By: GlassellParkVideo</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2007/06/06/more-fun-with-the-brown-act/#comment-29264</link>
		<dc:creator>GlassellParkVideo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 10:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems the DWP is not the only city entity that violates the brown act.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7lrO5aURk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7lrO5aURk&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems the DWP is not the only city entity that violates the brown act.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7lrO5aURk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev7lrO5aURk</a></p>
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		<title>By: SurviveLA</title>
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		<dc:creator>SurviveLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 03:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Way to go Will!  Sorry I couldn&#039;t be there for the fun last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to go Will!  Sorry I couldn&#8217;t be there for the fun last night.</p>
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		<title>By: :: jozjozjoz ::</title>
		<link>http://la.metblogs.com/2007/06/06/more-fun-with-the-brown-act/#comment-29262</link>
		<dc:creator>:: jozjozjoz ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you shouldn&#039;t have to argue your basic rights to get in, but I hardly think a lawsuit is the way to change the way things work around there.

At the very least, it would be circuitous and time consuming, not to mention wasteful of taxpayers money, in terms of another case clogging up an already overtaxed justice system.  

Markland, you&#039;re right for asking:
&quot;So what&#039;s it going to take to get everyone to understand some of the simplest of rules?&quot;

Somehow, I doubt the answer to that would be &quot;lawsuit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you shouldn&#8217;t have to argue your basic rights to get in, but I hardly think a lawsuit is the way to change the way things work around there.</p>
<p>At the very least, it would be circuitous and time consuming, not to mention wasteful of taxpayers money, in terms of another case clogging up an already overtaxed justice system.  </p>
<p>Markland, you&#8217;re right for asking:<br />
&#8220;So what&#8217;s it going to take to get everyone to understand some of the simplest of rules?&#8221;</p>
<p>Somehow, I doubt the answer to that would be &#8220;lawsuit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Markland</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Markland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lawsuit over this incident might be a little silly, but as we&#039;ve seen in the past few days there seems to be a lot of violations of the Brown Act. So what&#039;s it going to take to get everyone to understand some of the simplest of rules?

But, Will&#039;s rights were violated. He was hassled on the way in. You shouldn&#039;t have to argue your basic rights to get by a doorman/security - not for a second. I don&#039;t think its too far a stretch to see how the security guards actions might scare someone away from being part of the governmental process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lawsuit over this incident might be a little silly, but as we&#8217;ve seen in the past few days there seems to be a lot of violations of the Brown Act. So what&#8217;s it going to take to get everyone to understand some of the simplest of rules?</p>
<p>But, Will&#8217;s rights were violated. He was hassled on the way in. You shouldn&#8217;t have to argue your basic rights to get by a doorman/security &#8211; not for a second. I don&#8217;t think its too far a stretch to see how the security guards actions might scare someone away from being part of the governmental process.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Markland makes the best point: sue who?  Joz makes the 2d best point - kinda - with, must the answer to everything be litigation?

It is correct to sh*t talk those that trained the security guard. That poor dude&#039;s job is to do what he&#039;s told and if something bad happens, you can be he&#039;s the first to get the axe so the building supervisors can say whatever situation was created was &quot;Dealt With&quot; accordingly.

So the beef is with DWP, not the guy who only knows that his job is to make sure he knows who is coming or going.

Any more hate leveled at him is akin to ass-munch travelers at the airport shrieking bloody murder at TSA agents because those poor dudes wrote the regulations and policies, right?

So - props for knowing your rights under the Brown Act - further complaints should go straight to both DWP and the board(s) holding meetings there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Markland makes the best point: sue who?  Joz makes the 2d best point &#8211; kinda &#8211; with, must the answer to everything be litigation?</p>
<p>It is correct to sh*t talk those that trained the security guard. That poor dude&#8217;s job is to do what he&#8217;s told and if something bad happens, you can be he&#8217;s the first to get the axe so the building supervisors can say whatever situation was created was &#8220;Dealt With&#8221; accordingly.</p>
<p>So the beef is with DWP, not the guy who only knows that his job is to make sure he knows who is coming or going.</p>
<p>Any more hate leveled at him is akin to ass-munch travelers at the airport shrieking bloody murder at TSA agents because those poor dudes wrote the regulations and policies, right?</p>
<p>So &#8211; props for knowing your rights under the Brown Act &#8211; further complaints should go straight to both DWP and the board(s) holding meetings there.</p>
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		<title>By: :: jozjozjoz ::</title>
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		<dc:creator>:: jozjozjoz ::</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 20:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discarted:

Sue? For what? 

Will *almost* having his rights violated?  

Surely the justice system has more important things to deal with than with each and every incident like this.  

Besides which, what would Will stand to recover?  Compensatory damages for his time wasted?  

I&#039;m sick of people thinking that the solution to everything is to sue.  

/rant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discarted:</p>
<p>Sue? For what? </p>
<p>Will *almost* having his rights violated?  </p>
<p>Surely the justice system has more important things to deal with than with each and every incident like this.  </p>
<p>Besides which, what would Will stand to recover?  Compensatory damages for his time wasted?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sick of people thinking that the solution to everything is to sue.  </p>
<p>/rant</p>
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		<title>By: e;</title>
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		<dc:creator>e;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was an important reason why the Downtown neighborhood council moved its meetings away from the DWP building.  Though actually we had a homeless rep on the Board that showed up without ID every month and still got in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was an important reason why the Downtown neighborhood council moved its meetings away from the DWP building.  Though actually we had a homeless rep on the Board that showed up without ID every month and still got in.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas E. Welch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas E. Welch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is truly sad that people have to go through this much BS (and personal education) just to get into a public meeting.

On another note, I think a great resource would be a  site/blog that collects info on all these public meetings into one easy-to-use source. Is there anything like this already?

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is truly sad that people have to go through this much BS (and personal education) just to get into a public meeting.</p>
<p>On another note, I think a great resource would be a  site/blog that collects info on all these public meetings into one easy-to-use source. Is there anything like this already?</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: Mike K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, thanks to you and Stephen for standing up for our rights! You guys rock.

Angles in the DWP elevators??? They probably got lost on the way to the cathedral up the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, thanks to you and Stephen for standing up for our rights! You guys rock.</p>
<p>Angles in the DWP elevators??? They probably got lost on the way to the cathedral up the street.</p>
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